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'The Internet Was Illegal' and Other Early Stories With Zooko Wilcox
In this wide-ranging conversation, CoinDesk reporter Leigh Cuen and early cypherpunk Zooko Wilcox discuss what crypto can learn from technology successes and failures in the '80s and '90s.

The best Sundays are for long reads and deep conversations. Earlier this week, the Let's Talk Bitcoin! show enlisted CoinDesk reporter Leigh Cuen and early cypherpunk Zooko Wilcox for a conversation on the history, challenges and long-term development path of early, formative technologies, which we often hear modern blockchain movements compared against.
From the pre-internet days, through the free/open source movement, Linux's successes and challenges on the desktop, the peer-to-peer movement, cypherpunks, Linux maximalism, fundamentalism as a concept as well as some brief excursions through some history and politics of the time...
Later, we'll discuss how AI and lawyers have more in common than you'd think, and what kind of protections we may need as autonomous agents become ubiquitous.
Want more? Leigh has an article out now drawn from this and other interviews.
Zooko's post-interview Twitter thread:
If you listen to the conversation and you still disagree with or object to something I said, then I'd be interested to find out why! I'd love to hear from you. ៚
— zooko❤ⓩ🛡 (@zooko) January 6, 2020
Important clarification: my prediction that there might be posts of decontextualized snippets designed to provoke outrage is a prediction that people *other* than Coindesk / Leigh / Marc will do that. https://t.co/cZRtzotQ7K
— zooko❤ⓩ🛡 (@zooko) January 6, 2020
Episode Credits:
This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin! is sponsored by Brave.com, eToro.com, and Purse.io.Original photo by Museums Victoria on Unsplash. This episode featured CoinDesk reporter Leigh Cuen and Zcash co-creator Zooko Wilcox. Music for today's episode was provided by Jared Rubens, and general fuzz, with editing by Jonas. Have any questions or comments? Email adam@ltbshow.com.Find all 422 episodes at LTBShow.com
Adam B. Levine
Adam B. Levine joined CoinDesk in 2019 as the editor of its new audio and podcasts division. Previously, Adam founded the long-running Let's Talk Bitcoin! talk show with co-hosts Stephanie Murphy and Andreas M. Antonopoulos. Finding early success with the show, Adam transformed the podcast's homepage into a full newsdesk and publishing platform, founding the LTB Network in January of 2014 to help broaden the conversation with new and different perspectives. In the Spring of that year, he would go on to launch the first and largest tokenized rewards program for creators and their audience. In what many have called an early influential version of "Steemit"; LTBCOIN, which was awarded to both content creators and members of the audience for participation was distributed until the LTBN was acquired by BTC, Inc. in January of 2017. With the network launched and growing, in late 2014 Adam turned his attention to the practical challenges of administering the tokenized program and founded Tokenly, Inc. There, he led the development of early tokenized vending machines with Swapbot, tokenized identity solution Tokenpass, e-commerce with TokenMarkets.com and media with Token.fm. Adam owns some BTC, ETH and small positions in a number of other tokens.

Leigh Cuen
Leigh Cuen is a tech reporter covering blockchain technology for publications such as Newsweek Japan, International Business Times and Racked. Her work has also been published by Teen Vogue, Al Jazeera English, The Jerusalem Post, Mic, and Salon. Leigh does not hold value in any digital currency projects or startups. Her small cryptocurrency holdings are worth less than a pair of leather boots.
