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The Breakdown With NLW Episode

The Programmable Future of Bitcoin, Feat. Muneeb Ali

An argument why Bitcoin will be the base layer for DeFi, NFTs and more.

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On this episode of “The Breakdown’s” “End of Year Extravaganza,” NLW is joined by Muneeb Ali. Muneeb is the co-founder of Stacks and CEO of Hiro. In this conversation, he discusses the programmable smart-contract future of Bitcoin as the base layer for the new internet.

Find our guest on Twitter: @muneeb

See also: Stacks Network’s STX Token Jumps 50% as Bitcoin Struggles Amid Seesawing Fed Rate-Hike Bets

“The Breakdown” is written, produced by and features Nathaniel Whittemore aka NLW, with editing by Rob Mitchell, research by Scott Hill and additional production support by Eleanor Pahl. Adam B. Levine is our executive producer and our holiday theme music is “Spike The Eggnog” by Two Dudes. The music you heard today behind our sponsor is “Dark Crazed Cap” by Isaac Joel. Image credit: Yuichiro Chino/Moment/Getty Images, modified by CoinDesk.

HOST

Nathaniel Whittemore

NLW is an independent strategy and communications consultant for leading crypto companies as well as host of The Breakdown – the fastest-growing podcast in crypto. Whittemore has been a VC with Learn Capital, was on the founding team of Change.org, and founded a program design center at his alma mater Northwestern University that helped inspire the largest donation in the school’s history.

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The Programmable Future of Bitcoin, Feat. Muneeb Ali